Wednesday, July 15, 2009
Thought of the Day
The mainstream media were astonishingly reluctant to report on the successes Petraeus and his troops were achieving. Whenever possible, newspaper and television reporters avoided naming our principal enemies in Iraq: al-Qaeda and militias backed by Iran. To do so would have been inconsistent with the preferred narrative: that America's presence in Iraq was responsible for all and any violence, that this violence should be seen only as a civil war, that America's involvement had been a "fiasco" from the start and nothing could change that.
Cliff May, talking about the continued non-coverage of our victory in Iraq, a victory won despite the disgraceful efforts of the Neo-Copperheads to have us quit in Iraq.
Cliff May, talking about the continued non-coverage of our victory in Iraq, a victory won despite the disgraceful efforts of the Neo-Copperheads to have us quit in Iraq.
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# posted by Roger Fraley @ 6:27 AM 
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Roger,
We changed regimes in Iraq. If in 2 years or 12 years, the place falls apart, where is our victory?
T
We changed regimes in Iraq. If in 2 years or 12 years, the place falls apart, where is our victory?
T
# posted by 
: 6:36 PM
: 6:36 PM
The victory was ridding the Iraqis, and the world, of the Hitler lite dictator Saddam Hussein. And if in 2 to 12 years Iraq is still a constitutional republic, will you stop your racialist predictions that the Iraqis are somehow incapable of reasonable self governance? It really is getting old. How long ago were the purple fingers? 3 years? 4?
Rog,
Were those the 3or 4 years that Coalition forces were occupying the country, the cities in particular. Were those the 3 or 4 years that included the widespread bloodshed that the surge assuaged?
I am not playing the race card. I merely point out that a country composed of divers ethnic groups and adversarial religious sects, with no history of representative government, and indeed which society tends to be tribal, is a very bad bet to succeed as a democracy.
Was this grand social-political experiment worth a trillion dollars and our brave war dead and wounded? Not to mention the dire cost to the citizens of Iraq.
Given the fact that Saddam Hussein never presented any credible threat to our national security, this war seems a very expensive experiment that is bound to fail.
T
Were those the 3or 4 years that Coalition forces were occupying the country, the cities in particular. Were those the 3 or 4 years that included the widespread bloodshed that the surge assuaged?
I am not playing the race card. I merely point out that a country composed of divers ethnic groups and adversarial religious sects, with no history of representative government, and indeed which society tends to be tribal, is a very bad bet to succeed as a democracy.
Was this grand social-political experiment worth a trillion dollars and our brave war dead and wounded? Not to mention the dire cost to the citizens of Iraq.
Given the fact that Saddam Hussein never presented any credible threat to our national security, this war seems a very expensive experiment that is bound to fail.
T
# posted by : 12:51 PM
: 12:51 PM
Rog,
Were those the 3or 4 years that Coalition forces were occupying the country, the cities in particular. Were those the 3 or 4 years that included the widespread bloodshed that the surge assuaged?
I am not playing the race card. I merely point out that a country composed of divers ethnic groups and adversarial religious sects, with no history of representative government, and indeed which society tends to be tribal, is a very bad bet to succeed as a democracy.
Was this grand social-political experiment worth a trillion dollars and our brave war dead and wounded? Not to mention the dire cost to the citizens of Iraq.
Given the fact that Saddam Hussein never presented any credible threat to our national security, this war seems a very expensive experiment that is bound to fail.
T
Were those the 3or 4 years that Coalition forces were occupying the country, the cities in particular. Were those the 3 or 4 years that included the widespread bloodshed that the surge assuaged?
I am not playing the race card. I merely point out that a country composed of divers ethnic groups and adversarial religious sects, with no history of representative government, and indeed which society tends to be tribal, is a very bad bet to succeed as a democracy.
Was this grand social-political experiment worth a trillion dollars and our brave war dead and wounded? Not to mention the dire cost to the citizens of Iraq.
Given the fact that Saddam Hussein never presented any credible threat to our national security, this war seems a very expensive experiment that is bound to fail.
T
# posted by : 12:52 PM
: 12:52 PM
It was worth billions and 4k plus dead plus the wounded to end Gulf War I properly and not just let Hussein slide on his promises of the cease fire. If guys can invade neighbors, get kicked out and say no harm no foul, I promise to do (things I never intend to do), chaos in the global village follows. That's bad in a real sense and a direct threat to our national security. I'll widen my scope of vision re the post Ottoman Empire history of the region. You look beyond what it took to win a tactical victory against Iraqi forces. The defeat of AQM is worth several hundred billion to the non Muslim world. Being the strong horse is worth even more than that. Following through with what the League of Good Nations once said was necessary is worth a few hundred billion as well. Strategically, the "experiment" has already failed to fail.
Rog,
We all have our blind spots. One of yours is refusing to admit that AQM did not exist until we invaded Iraq.
T
We all have our blind spots. One of yours is refusing to admit that AQM did not exist until we invaded Iraq.
T
# posted by : 6:10 PM
: 6:10 PM
I have admitted that, but AQM merely had a different name before the invasion--the leader and organization was in place prior to 3/03. It's not blindness to know all the facts.
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