Saturday, August 09, 2008
Labels: Iraq War Success
"...but it is ultimately not that important whether the Iraqis can keep the Republic we helped give them, the importance is that through the sacrifice of many...we freed again, strangers from brutal dictatorship (and gave them a lot of money with which to rebuild their country)."
Roger, are you quite mad? Unless the newly hatched (certainly it has not reached fledgling stage) Iraqi Republic succeeds, the mission is a failure.
Decensus Avernus facilis est, remember?
As Bonnnie sang once "What is success?" Well for the Iraqi republic, I would settle for not failing. If there is no civil war--even if the country partates-- that would be success. If the country does not become for Iran, what Lebanon became for Syria, that would be success. If the country does not become a training ground for Muslim extremists., that would be success.
Shoot low, they're riding Shetlands.
Sorry, Rog, you cannot walk away and say: "We spent more than 4100 lives and a trillon dollars, now we expect you to build a paradise from the rubble and if you don't, well we done good anyhow, by golly, you betcha."
Do not accuse me of playing the gene card. If you took an infant from Dubuque and swapped him for one from Baquba, 18 years later you have an Arab Hawkeye in Iowa, and a butterheaded Iraqi in Baquba.
For a synopsis on Arab culture and why it is ill suited for many endeavors, including democracy and individuality, check out Kenneth Pollack's "A Path from the Desert" pp 67-120. No lefty he, Pollack's last book, "The Threatening Storm " advocated the invasion of Iraq.
Meanwhile, back at the ruins of the presidential palace...
"I am proud of what my country under George Bush did in Iraq and any reasonable analyst would think the same."
And so dear readers I have reached a fork in the analytical road. Yea and verily, before my eyes, two roads are diverging in a yellow wood. If I do not agree with Roger, then I am not a reasonable man and Roger is a reasonable man, and so are they all reasonable men.
But if I am a reasonable man, then Roger is wrong.
So which one of us is Lear upon the moor, shouting at the rain?
You're Lear, a smart, thoughtful Lear, but Lear just the same. We did good in Iraq. Those who can't acknowledge it have nothing more to say to me on the subject.
What is the next nation we should free. Tibet?
The Virgil was just to remind you that getting into Iraq was easy but getting out, another thing entirely.
I am throwing a flag and penalizing you for revisionism. The purpose of invadng Iraq was not just to get rid of Saddam and his psychotic sons. I think we could have dome that w/o invading the country.
As for Tibet, notw/standing that when Karen joined the Tibet society at her college when she was the only one who had actually been to Tibet and notw/standing her black long sleeved T-shirt that says "Tibet Will Be Free," I am w/ the Dalai Lama on this one. Tibet gas benefited in may ways from the Chinese presence there. As the Dalai Lama states what Tibetans need is more autonony; that and fewer Han Chinese being sent to Tibet to colonize it.
Look the Tibetans revere th eDalai Lama, not Chairmen Mao. If the Chinese Communist regime were not so paranoid, authoritarian, and mainpulative, the regime would just go w/ it and instaed of being ahted, the Chinese would be loved by the Tibetans.
I would like to free Zimbabwe. Robert Mugabe must go. He has turned the breadbasket of southern Africa into a nation that must import food. On the other hand, everyone in Zimbabwe is a billionaire but then w/ the inflation there, it takes about a trillion dollars to buy a loaf of bread, if you can find one.
The guys running the Sudan are not nice people.
I know you have seen the photograph of North Korea taken from space at night. Kim Jung Il, that meglomaniacal Hollywood smitten dwiszhni must go. All we have to do is establish diplomatic relations w/ North Korea and appoint Paris Hilton ambassador. The regime will fall in a few weeks.
Unfortuately, there is no military option w/ North Korea given the number of tubes it has pointed at Seoul.
That guy running Belarus? He must go also only he is secure under the penumbra of somebody else who must go, that being Vladimir Putin, who as you noted in your post above this one, has now sent tanks into South Ossetia on the same day as the Olympics began. I wonder if he and W had a chat about that in Beijing during opening ceremonies.
I mean W is the perfect guy b/c he looked into Putin's eyes and "got a sense of his soul." What soul? Well, it was W after all. I would not have been surprised if he said he saw George Washington waving at him like Harry Potter's parents out of a photograph.
Valdimir Putin; Vlad the Impaler; Tsar Vladimir I. That is the path down which Russia is speeding.
This, of course, is only the short list and only consists of people running real countries.
I am interested in your opinion about what to do about Waziristan.