Thursday, July 20, 2006
This War is Hell (Except for Anti-Semites)
The current war between Israel, Hezbollah and Hamas appears to be very distressing to the cultured person who is able to have true sympathy. For the true anti-Semite (who hates all Semitic people both Arab and Jew) this is as good as it gets.
Arabs blowing up Jews and Jews blowing up Arabs. Whew-eee. It's like Christmas in July!
I'm not like that at all. I enjoy (if that's the right word) the justice inherent in the IDF kicking yet again, the skinny heines of the people stupid enough to attack them.
You do kinda feel sorry for the Lebanese not members or supporters of Hezbollah.
Arabs blowing up Jews and Jews blowing up Arabs. Whew-eee. It's like Christmas in July!
I'm not like that at all. I enjoy (if that's the right word) the justice inherent in the IDF kicking yet again, the skinny heines of the people stupid enough to attack them.
You do kinda feel sorry for the Lebanese not members or supporters of Hezbollah.
# posted by Roger Fraley @ 11:44 PM 
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Even if I had the perfect sympathy you have achieved, Mike, I would not do a thing to stop the fighting until Hezbollah is pretty much destroyed and the Lebanese have agreed to keep the area south of some river I've forgotten the name of free of Hezbollah rocket launching facilities. Looks like another couple of weeks. Of course it's very harsh for many innocent Lebanese, but we have to judge two regrettable, but nevertheless distingusihable alternatives: Lebanon under the thumb of Syria and Hezbollah and Lebanon with little or no Hezbollah remaining. The good news, if there is any, is that it's the competent and civilized Israelis doing what they can to minimize civilian casualties. Is it only conservatives who can look past temporary suffering towards a greater good? I can't believe that.
Touche yourself, Duk.
Touche yourself, Duk.
"You do kinda feel sorry for the Lebanese not members or supporters of Hezbollah."
Nuff said?
Nuff said?
# posted by 
: 10:11 AM
: 10:11 AM
"Is it only conservatives who can look past "temporary suffering" towards a greater good? I can't believe that."
Thats Roger- the supreme decider of the greater good. Of course the notion that inflicting "temporary suffering" on innocent people might cause them to join those who oppose the ones inflicting the temporary suffering never occured to Rog.
Thats Roger- the supreme decider of the greater good. Of course the notion that inflicting "temporary suffering" on innocent people might cause them to join those who oppose the ones inflicting the temporary suffering never occured to Rog.
# posted by : 10:15 AM
: 10:15 AM
The "innocent civilians" had the opportunity to avoid their current problems. They decided that the price was too high.
Now the bill for the choice they made is coming due.
Bummer.
Now the bill for the choice they made is coming due.
Bummer.
Anon II, of course there will be negative reactions with any military action, that's why civilized nations avoid war if they can, but that Israel here will create enemies can not be a deciding factor. The Israelis realized long ago they had better go for 'feared' rather than 'liked'. Thanks for the reminder, even though it hadn't slipped my mind.
Decent, moral people shouldn't allow the land for which they are responsible to be used to mount terror attacks. And if they do allow this in defiance of decency, they should expect little sympathy when the targets of those attacks consider this permissiveness a moral failing worthy of response.
As to who is responsible for civilian deaths, take a look at the various Geneva and Hague conventions. You'll find that the responsibility for the deaths of human shields lies with the party that chose to use human shields.
This is, of course, the only moral and prudent place to lodge that responsibility. Any other choice would provide precisely the wrong incentives.
As to who is responsible for civilian deaths, take a look at the various Geneva and Hague conventions. You'll find that the responsibility for the deaths of human shields lies with the party that chose to use human shields.
This is, of course, the only moral and prudent place to lodge that responsibility. Any other choice would provide precisely the wrong incentives.
I've got a feeling there will be plenty of decent and moral women and children who will suffer and yet were/are powerless to stop palestinian activities. I assume even Roger agrees that there's nothing children could do to stop Hezbullah, yet many children will suffer as a result of this reaction. Just one example.
The notion that its all right to kill these people simply because they live in the same country used by a terrorist group is nonsence.
Why do I have this feeling you guys wouldn't apply the same reasoning to Christian caucasian civilians?
The notion that its all right to kill these people simply because they live in the same country used by a terrorist group is nonsence.
Why do I have this feeling you guys wouldn't apply the same reasoning to Christian caucasian civilians?
# posted by : 11:46 AM
: 11:46 AM
The vast majority of citizens of Germany and Italy in WWII were white and Christian. They were similarly unable to individually affect the foreign policy of their nations.
It was, nevertheless, right to take actions that killed many of them in the course of abating an existential threat from their countries.
Collective actions and collective non-actions have collective consequences. The Lebanese are finding this out yet again.
It was, nevertheless, right to take actions that killed many of them in the course of abating an existential threat from their countries.
Collective actions and collective non-actions have collective consequences. The Lebanese are finding this out yet again.
Oh, and a minor point: Imputing bigotry to your political opponents does not strengthen your argument. For more information about this sort of thing, see this link.
(For instance.)
(For instance.)
Thanks again, Doug. The real difference is that Israel is trying to hit targets of military importance and trying not to hit civilians including the innocent little children anon immediately thinks of (the leaflets, for example warn everyone to run away, even the terrorists, but the IDF drops them anyway); while the members of Hezbollah are trying to kill innocent civilians including the little children. If you can't see that difference you are indeed morally blind, and by 'you' I mean anon.
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